Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Is it tru, the welsh got their name from the anglo saxon word weylash, meaning traitors?

i understand thats where it comes from, i dont know if its the proper spelling, also, did scotland, ireland and cornwall get their names from the angles, who gave us angleland, (england)

Is it tru, the welsh got their name from the anglo saxon word weylash, meaning traitors?
Scotland is named for the gaelic speaking tribe that came from Ireland around the early 4 century they left what is now present day Ulster,Ireland and settled in what is now present day Argyll,Scotland and founded the Kingdom of Dalriada. Now Scotland already had a race of people living there known as the Picts whose origins are complex and mysterious as they had no written langauage which to leave there history. before this Scotland had many names "Alba" and "Caledonia" which is from the Roman name for a Picttish tribe called "Caledonii". Now England gets its present name from the Angles a race of War like people who Invaded and settled toward the end and at the end of Roman occupation of Britian and founded many early Angle kingdoms which were Nord Angelnen,Ost Angelnen, Mittlere Angelnen which are today know as Northumbria,East anglia,Mercia, That had many genetic and cultural ties to the Saxons and have been lumped together as the "Anglo-Saxons". Not sure about the Welsh being traitors,more likly the English corrupted this name to mean traitor The welsh language is one of the oldest Gaelic languages and had a great kingdom long before the English started. And were independent up until King Edward invaded Wales in 1277 and took control of its lands.Now the Cornish are supposedly named from the old English word wealhas meaning " foreigners, Britons"but it could also come from the Romans who called them "Cornovii" they had there own Gaelic language which had almost died out or is close to it,but hopefully will be saved with the resurgence of Gaelic culture.


Well I hoped this helped I generalized alot sure many other people will have better answers.





p.s. It appears Welsh is from the Brythonic branch of Celtic spoken in Wales today my apologies for not knowing this.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_langu...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_lan...


So is Cornish like I said I was generalizing didn't mean to step on anyone toes. And no I love England my mothers family is from England.
Reply:The name came to have negative meanings, like thief, traitor, but originally meant foreigner.





'The Welsha they overcame, and for themselves a Kingdom won' - Anglo Saxon Chronicle.
Reply:Why should everything be because of England or the English? :-s I don't understand this attitude!





脡ire is the Irish name of the island called Ireland in the English language. 脡ire is the nominative form in modern Irish of the name for the goddess called 脡riu in Old Irish, a mythical figure who helped the Gaels conquer Ireland as described in the Book of Invasions. 脡ire is still used in the Irish language today to refer to the island of Ireland as well as the Republic of Ireland - as well as the goddess.





@ Mitchell: Neither Welsh nor Cornish are Gaelic languages. The Gaelic languages are: Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx.


Welsh and Cornish along with Breton are Bythonic Insular Celtic languages.
Reply:In Scotland we have Wallace, this is from Waleys, which was a Norman word which meant Welshman, of course the most famous person with that name was William Wallace.
Reply:While you're here, is there a genealogy question we may try to help with?
Reply:Ireland is derived from Eire, the Gaelic name for it.





The "land" bit was just tagged on to the English word to indicate that it's a country.
Reply:The word "Welsh" simply means "foreigner", although the xenophobic English came to associate various negative connotations with the inhabitants of Wales just as they similarly stereotyped the Scots and the Irish. Apparently, the English are still distrustful of foreigners if comments about Pakistanis and Indians in on-line blogs of British newspapers are any indication. Of course, the Scots and the Irish are similarly distrustful of alien influences--most especially the English!





The "Corn" in Cornwall means "horn" in Latin, obviously referring to the fact that Cornwall lies at the very southern most tip of Britain. However, the name is originally from the Welsh "Cornavia". Apparently, the inhabitants of Cornwall and Wales are both of Celtic origin. Their Celtic cousins, the Scots and the Irish, are named after the tribes that settled their countries, although the Scots originally came from Ireland.
Reply:I bet your a rude English man. Possibly london area.


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